What are your thoughts about the documentary? You've said a little bit about it, uh, and your, your thoughts about participating in it.

You know, probably the greatest honor in my career, right? To, to sit alongside, um, you know, legendary security professionals, right? Like Dr.

Chance Cunningham, who, you know, was interviewing right before me, um, and I've followed my entire career.

Just a real honor to be able to tell the story, right? I think one of the things that, as a CISO, that w- we have to accept and kind of go through is most people don't understand our role day to day.

And, you know, I, I really believe even, you know, security leaders adjacent to a CISO role don't understand what that role entails every single day.

Making those decisions with very limited information, trying to do everything you can to protect your company, your brand, your customers, but at the same time, having the responsibility of caring for all those team members that are actually heads down dealing with the attacks, responding to the alerts, triaging incidents, recovering systems, taking all those actions that we take.

They have a very difficult job, 24 hours a day, seven days a week.

What sort of recurring trends or shortcomings or glaring errors do you see in cybersecurity that, um, people just don't seem to get or that just whenever you see it happen you're like, "Not again"?