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Sep 9, 2026
Menlo Midweek Podcast | What is a Follower of The Way | Sacrificial Developer
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Phil EuBankGUEST
So I think that everybody does that on some level, and then I think in our culture, plus the proclivity of our fallen flesh, we wanna make ourselves the hero of that story.

Phil EuBankGUEST
You know, it's a, it, it's a funny thing when you, uh, like, read biblical passages that maybe you grew up, if you grew up in church, studying, and we just instantly, we make ourselves the hero of those stories [laughs] too.

Phil EuBankGUEST
You know, we read David and Goliath, and we're not, like, the scared Israelites in the tents.

Phil EuBankGUEST
We're David, you know? [laughs] And you're like, "Well, actually, in the story, Jesus is the greater David."
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The Vapor (Sacrifical Developer) | What Is A Follower Of the Way? | Phil EuBank
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Phil EuBankGUEST
We are beginning our ministry year around here, and we've been talking about what it means to reclaim the way of Jesus in your life.

Phil EuBankGUEST
Not just more knowledge, but more reflection about whether or not our daily decisions parallel the way of Jesus.

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If you are joining us at one of our Bay Area campuses, welcome, welcome, welcome.
Menlo Midweek Podcast | What is a Follower of the Way | Unhurried Friend
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Matt SummersHOST
you know pressure's off start small yeah I like that All right, so last week, we talked about becoming an undivided follower in our series, What Is a Follower of the Way? And I think, why does unhurried friend come next? What starts to break relationally when a divided life becomes a hurried life? What happens there?

Phil EuBankGUEST
Yeah, I think that if you're living a divided life, you will almost certainly have to live a hurried life because you're spinning all these plates in all these different places.

Phil EuBankGUEST
And oftentimes you are spinning those plates as a different version of yourself.

Phil EuBankGUEST
And so it's not just like you're showing up to school or you're showing up to work or you're showing up to that key relationship.

Phil EuBankGUEST
It's like you in the version of you that's going to find approval in that person shows up to work or you in the version of you that will find approval at church or approval in that friendship or approval in that neighbor relationship.

Phil EuBankGUEST
And I think that level of division just means that your internal RPMs of adaptation are going so high at a speed they shouldn't have to.
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The Clock (Unhurried Friend) | What Is A Follower Of the Way? | Phil EuBank
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Phil EuBankGUEST
Thanks for giving us part of your weekend to be able to hopefully get a chance to catch your breath.

Phil EuBankGUEST
you are here and this idea of reclaiming the way of Jesus is not just some sort of esoteric idea we want to give you practical ways to think about that and actually do something with it we're reclaiming the way of Jesus back in our lives from pressures and priorities that actually took it from us whether we knew it or not you don't reclaim something that you just misplaced you reclaim something that has been taken from from you.
Undivided Follower | What is a follower of the way? | Menlo Midweek Podcast
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Could you give us just a glimpse, a 30,000-foot glimpse? What are we trying to recover in each of those spaces between worship, table, focus, and work?

Phil EuBankGUEST
What does it mean for me to go from being a spectator to a contributor, to really participate? It means that gathered worship is not something that I do as a last resort or something that I do if all the stars align or something.

Phil EuBankGUEST
Really, I think for many people, whether we like it or not, it's like, if I have nothing better to do, then I will come and spectate as opposed to, no, this is like a big rock part of our schedule.

Phil EuBankGUEST
We're going to make different choices so that we can prioritize being present, interacting with people, showing up on time so that I can experience the entire gathering together and then committing in my heart, in my mind, in my life, maybe in my family to How am I going to live this out? And so I think those were some of the things we talked about.
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Matt SummersHOST
So if we were to take that and maybe try to make it applicable to perhaps an audit of this week, maybe something with evaluating our calendar, our money, our speech, our relationships, how could that begin? And what would real growth look like throughout this process?
The Mirror (Undivided Follower) | What Is a Follower Of the Way? | Phil EuBank
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Phil EuBankGUEST
It's easy in our moment where there are a lot of people sort of claiming to speak for Jesus, and we're going to get a chance to hear from somebody that spent really maybe the most time with him, uh, way longer than any of the disciples.

Phil EuBankGUEST
Now as we get started, something I've noticed, uh, it's kind of hard to pin down when you're not from Silicon Valley or California, um, but the days now in this time of the year, they start to get shorter and emails get longer, and they come in faster.

Phil EuBankGUEST
And, uh, like somebody will send me a calendar invite, and it's like, "Hey, here's the calendar invite for September," and I'm like, "Isn't it still May?" And summer just like goes, right? And, uh, I grew up in the Midwest, and in the Midwest, uh, because winter keeps you inside, it's like mandatory.
It Is Finished (The Gospel) | Let's Be Honest | Menlo Midweek Podcast
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Matt SummersHOST
When we started this series seven weeks ago, what did you hope would happen in our church?

Phil EuBankGUEST
I mean, I think somebody asked me a couple weeks ago, they were like, have you basically just been doing like the basics of Christianity series using world religions to show the contrast? And I was like, you caught me.

Phil EuBankGUEST
And if you put all of those together from thermostat to relationship, if you added all those on the gospel side of the ledger together, you're going to get hopefully a somewhat systematic view of the components of the gospel.

Phil EuBankGUEST
I also wanted to communicate it in a way that wasn't like sort of punching down to other religions, but that was communicated in an intellectually honest sort of steel manning the case for another faith.

Phil EuBankGUEST
And so it meant that, you know, when we covered Islam, we didn't cover the worst versions of it.
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It Is Finished (The Gospel) | Let's Be Honest | Phil EuBank
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Phil EuBankGUEST
Welcome to those of you in Mountain View, here in Menlo Park, Saratoga, San Mateo, those of you joining us online.

Phil EuBankGUEST
And so if you haven't been at every one of them today, I'm just giving you credit because you're at the last one.
The Religion of Good People (The Nones / Agnostics) | Let's Be Honest | Menlo Midweek Podcast
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Matt SummersHOST
What did you see happening in that room? How did you see that play out and really what stayed with you from that day?

Phil EuBankGUEST
Yeah, well, I mean, I think there's a lot of differences between a tragic death of someone that's young and something that feels more in the seasons of life you expect from someone that's older.
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The Religion of Good People (The Nones / Agonostics) | Let's Be Honest | Phil EuBank
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Phil EuBankGUEST
You are enduring so well through a very long summer series, uh, where we are taking a look at a bunch of other different faiths and worldviews and trying to contrast them in a respectful way, uh, to what a, a version of historic biblical Christianity looks like.

Phil EuBankGUEST
And, uh, today's is gonna be, uh, a pretty heavy one, uh, so I'm really glad you're here for it.

Phil EuBankGUEST
I've heard great stories from people, uh, where this series has opened up their minds or their hearts or even great conversations, and I think that today is gonna be one of those.
The System of Merit (Catholicism) | Let's Be Honest | Menlo Midweek Podcast
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Matt SummersHOST
But before we get into the message, I'm curious, you did listen to Brett's message on Buddhism, my message on Mormonism, and I was just curious, what stood out to you having other voices carry the series? Did either week sharpen or change anything for the way you approached this one?

Phil EuBankGUEST
And then you have the structure that you want to build for each particular week.
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The System of Merit (Catholicism) | Let's Be Honest | Phil EuBank
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Phil EuBankGUEST
And a special thanks to Brett and Matt for continuing these conversations over the last couple weeks, conversations around Buddhism and last week, Mormonism.

Phil EuBankGUEST
And I would highly recommend if you missed those, you can go back and check them out online.
The Five Pillars of Effort (Islam) | Let's Be Honest | Menlo Midweek Podcast
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Phil EuBankGUEST
But I'm not God, you know? And, uh, the Keller line that I always bring up in these conversations is, "If the w- if the God that you worship never disagrees with you, you may not be worshiping the God of the Bible, you may be worshiping an idealized version of yourself." So that's like one stream.

Phil EuBankGUEST
And then the other stream, uh, like from the angry side, you spoke with tenderness about the man on your panel and the weight that he carries, and I don't wanna minimize that, but there are Christians being killed for the name of Jesus right now in Nigeria and other places around the world, and they didn't get a single sentence in your message.

Phil EuBankGUEST
You told us that Muslims who convert are often shunned or worse, and then we moved on.
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Matt SummersHOST
Um, why was it important for us to hear that and to sit with that, uh, on Sunday?
The Five Pillars of Effort (Islam) | Let's Be Honest | Phil EuBank
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Phil EuBankGUEST
Before we dive in, I want to just kind of remind you that we're spending the next several weeks looking at various religions.
The Burden of the Law (Judaism) | Let's Be Honest | Menlo Midweek Podcast
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Phil EuBankGUEST
Um, and I also think that, like, we're in a moment where Judaism as a religion is so confusing because we also have, uh, Israel as a modern nation state and sort of what's all in turmoil in any given moment, um, as it relates to that, and the United States', uh, uh, alliance with them and to current decisions, and does that mean that all Jewish people align to that? And then, you know, we got into this spectrum where you have people who are Orthodox Jews on one side who are still eating kosher and dressing differently, and then on the other side you have people who are just, uh, ethnically or even just culturally Jewish, uh, who have no adherence to any of the religious practices of Judaism, and then there's a spectrum in between.

Phil EuBankGUEST
So it's such an interesting, uh, it's such an interesting faith structure, uh, because of the history that it has had.
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Phil EuBankGUEST
Uh, the, the slightly more nuanced answer is that Jesus calls us to live out the law of love, uh, where he would say, "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength, and love your neighbor as yourself." He sort of summarizes it later in the New Testament when he says, uh, "You should love your neighbor as I have loved you." Um, and so it all sort of gets truncated, and the idea is that the moral law goes from something we do to get to know God, and instead becomes something we do because God got to know us.

Phil EuBankGUEST
So instead of something that we, like, use as a ladder to climb up to him, it's a ladder he climbed down to get to us, and it doesn't, it doesn't free us of doing any of that.

Phil EuBankGUEST
But by the grace of God, the power of the Holy Spirit, the slow redemptive work that he's doing in us, um, I actually aspire to live in greater and greater compliance, uh, to the perfect will of God made manifest in the moral law.