Would you support this notion of playing Europe in a chunk at the back end of the season? I'm sure you've seen the suggestions.

Yeah, to be honest, I haven't thought about it a huge amount because you're obviously planning for next year.

We got fixed this pretty late on in terms of, um, understanding when and where we're gonna be playing and when the internationals will be away, et cetera.

So, um, I, I think Europe is one of my favorite tournaments, both as a player and as a coach, and I think the opportunities it gives our playing group to go and play against some of the best players in the world and the best teams, iconic stadiums.

You go to Munster, that's, that's, that's proper, you know? And I think we've talked about that a lot as a group, um, around the memories we can make in those b- because every year we're gonna go to Exeter, every year we're gonna go to Welford Road.

But we, first time we've been to Pau and, and have that experience and playing, um, the South of France is, is always exceptional.

So Europe, we need to make sure we get it right because I think it's an important piece in the, in the Northern Hemisphere puzzle.

How are things with England at the moment between you guys and the England setup?

That's why I sent that.

Just 'cause he, he goes and catches the biggest fish.

By the time he comes back, it's all been eaten.

There's nothing left, and you sort of...

The, the story of what you did, people don't...

Now, you can talk about how good you were and what you did.

Yeah.

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