Um, wild but that's like when my business like just absolutely blew up so I want to know for you kind of probably like a year or two into COVID would have been more that peak for you like what was it looking like for you where was work coming from like how did you grow what is now the successful business that you have which has now been able to host retreats and all these things like if you could equate that to a few things that you did what would you say that was for your business Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

Before I dive into that, I do want to like just like touch on what you just said about that like ignorance and naivety.

And it is kind of hard to find the perfect word for that, but I know exactly what you're talking about.

And for me, I kind of like to relate it to like that childlike wonder, like the art we were able to create when we didn't have all these rules about composition and editing and how to communicate with your clients.

I feel like it's important to, as you grow and evolve and learn things, be able to touch back into that energy of that childlike wonder.

Because once you know these rules and know that like, Being able to step back and be like, are these rules constricting me? How can I break the rules by knowing them? I just love that.

think like, as far