some of my best friends are hot punks.

Yeah, and fuck them too.

Whoa.

Here's the problem.

You have to try it.

You have to try it.

And saying, the hopeful option is the most rebellious option.

So speaking of the horror, what is the most unexpected or disturbing thing under the ocean besides us? And can you give us a cool marine biology fact?

basic

idea.

I had not heard of that.

I went to the take on the article of the contingency analysis and I thought that was cool.

I don't think it's especially surprising these days, though.

And I'm not really answering your basic question.

I'm answering your background context here.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, Jeff Ryman was his exemplar.

Yeah, we are so important as science fiction writers that people pay so much attention to the worlds that we create that if we talk about other worlds and aliens and stuff, people will stop valuing our own world because they'll think we could just move to another one.

And so we must therefore only write science fiction that adheres to the rules that we understand today.

That's your absolute hardcore metal definition of hard science fiction.

No safety net, nothing that can't be justified scientifically.

And it is predicated on the unspoken assumption that we already know everything, that our scientific perspective will never change, that here in the 21st century, we figured it all out and nobody will come along in the 22nd century.

But where did you land on that? What are your thoughts? Because you hadn't finished the book when we were talking to you.

While Cathy and Sarah work to restore Bob's heart rhythm, on the other side of a two-way mirror is senior simulation technology specialist, Peter Watts.

So from here, we can actually control the plane and also the simulator that's on board the plane.

We can make him close his eyes, we can stop him breathing, we can give him heart attacks, we can drop his blood pressure.

We can actually make him fit as well.

Um, so we can do quite a lot of things with him.

On the plane, we can actually, uh, take off, we can give you a bit of turbulence, and then we can bring you into land as well.