Hmm.

You know, obviously it's, it's like a, that dress you look, are looking at online has to look great.

You know, in the same way that, um, that dress has to have, be in the right fabric.

It has to fit well.

It, the same thing with a recipe.

That recipe, it's, it's nothing if it doesn't taste great, and that recipe has to actually function and be delicious.

And in, in fashion there's this garmento, um, phrase called, you know, front of closet.

Mm

Oh,

yeah.

You know.

I've arrived.

Yeah, exactly.

I'm very shy about one of the drama.

I brought the drama when I had to.

Where did that concept come from?

Do you feel like your brain is like, "Yes, the part of my brain that has worked in fashion for so long is the part of my brain that works to create recipes," or is it totally different parts of your brain and that's why you love doing both of them?

Yeah, it's an interesting question.

Um, you know, for me I think i- i- the part of my brain that does fashion is the creative part.

And I think, I, I've come to realize over the years of developing recipes and things and envisioning recipes and a dish that that part of my brain that, um, that c- you know, thinks about fashion is the same part of my brain that thinks about food, the creative part.

Mm-hmm.

And then it just, you know, it, it, I think people can get so caught up in the details and, and get stressed out about the food and sure, the food's important and, and all these things are, are important.

Lighting's important, why not? But at the end of the day i- it's, people are there for the people.

People are there to sit, uh, you know, around a table and, and be together.