You tick the box of all the stuff you thought that's what I need.

Yeah, and when I get there, I'll clearly be happy.

Obviously, yeah.

It doesn't happen.

So I was designing myself into a corner.

I was building a monster or monsters that was trapping me rather than giving me freedom.

And so I thought that, you know, from my side, what has to happen for me to find happiness? Because, you know, I made my first million early on and I wasn't happy.

Is that a reasonable description?

How has your life or your viewpoint changed over the past several years as you've been on that journey yourself? I mean, this obviously was your self-testing to see, do I still have it? And am I still fit to teach, like you mentioned? But I'm curious, if you stepped outside of yourself for a second, what has been the evolution that you've seen? And are there any keen takeaways that you can share with us?

I think over the last probably several years, not as much.

Certainly if you extrapolate that out from the early days of being very ego-driven, driven by the need for significance, trying to prove to the world that I'm good enough, thinking that it cares, trying to avoid the fear that I'm not enough, all of that stuff.

Big turning point was when I started shifting my driving needs from significance to growth and contribution.

That was a big turning point for me.

And it's really all about emotional maturity.

Nobody's born enlightened.

I'd imagine if you're ever going to have it.

Mm.

At some point, every relationship ends.

So knowing that in advance, what does the game become about? See, the way I see it is everything that you have a relationship to is like a wall that you're leaning against, and the level of attachment you have to that wall is the pressure you're leaning on it.

Which means when that wall goes, as it will at some point, if you're leaning hard on it, how hard do you hit the floor? Some people choose never to get back up.

Whereas if you can stand strong on your own two feet and appreciate the relationships, you know, the walls around you without putting pressure on it, you have a far better level of experience when and if that wall falls down and you're transiting through.

They say, "Oh, no, please don't leave me because, you know, I need you." No, you don't need me.

You don't need anything.

And I think that's what you're saying.

Sí.

Lo que lleva a Barry, el agotado.

¿Verdad? Y tal vez ataque al corazón Harry.

O si evitas eso, lo que normalmente sucede es que vuelves a caer en para mí para recuperar el aliento.

Te das cuenta de que eso no es quien eres.

Vuelves a subirte al caballo.

Entonces tu negocio fracasa, te desanimas.

Guau.

Instead of just being now.

See, here, here's, here's a great analogy.

Let's say you win a round-the-world trip.

You entered a competition.

You know, you're in a waiting room, you got bored, you're online, you entered something and, and a month later you get a notification you've won an all expenses round-the-world trip, dream trip, 20 different destinations, everything on your bucket list, the northern lights, the pyramids, Antarctica, you know, um, you know, Angkor Wat in Cambodia, all of, all of these things.

First class.

You've got jets, you've got cruise ships, you've got everything.

Mm.

What does that mean?

It means that we have a financial thermostat, and if your financial thermostat, like a room thermostat, there's a program invisibly running in the background that monitors the current temperature, that if it drops below, the heaters kick in.

If it goes above, the air conditioning kicks in.So if your financial thermostat's set for $50,000 a year and all of a sudden you drop to 30, the, you know, the heaters kick in.

You get motivated.

You're up early.

You're hustling.

You're getting out there.

Yeah.

I just don't see how I could last more than 24 hours of doing this.

Well, I, I think for the audience listening thinking, "What the hell is this guy doing?" Or, "What'd he do?" Uh, I'll, I'll set the scene very briefly.

Uh, I've, I've done a lot of ultra-endurance athlete stuff, you know, from running across the Sahara to, you know, I just recently a few weeks ago completed the, the North Pole Marathon, uh, on there.

But, uh, all of that pales in comparison to the adventure I took on with my best friend, you know, last year.

In fact, last December.

And so, you know, about a year ago.

And we took on something called the World's Toughest Row.

Yeah.