So now let's start the journey to like, how do we get to call centers? I know that's probably a question that somebody asked you at dinner parties, like map the journey to me.

Yeah, there is a weird through line.

It's not a very logical one, but there is a weird through line.

So Remember I said I got sued.

Remember I told you that they were blaming me for the cigar smoke.

So during that journey, I did have to take remediation actions, right? To try to figure out what was going on because I want to do the right thing anyway.

And again, I didn't know at the time that it was all a big ruse.

But like biggest moment along the way where you're just like, oh, holy, like, how am I going to get out of this?

I guess what I'm asking is it just providing the fish or do you also have an option that's a teach a man to fish? We actually, we,

we will do a little bit of like the fishing for you.

Like if you want us to just sell you leads, we do that kind of like as a downsell, to be honest with you.

But our primary, our, our primary product, our primary service is building out full fledged, fully managed leads.

call centers where the client owns it.

So if you're a Mr. Roofer, then you would own the call center.

We would build everything out for you.

Yeah.

What did you learn about the leads you think that, you know, made things different from, you know, running into a lot of the problems that most people have with leads to having a breakthrough moment of like, aha, like this is an angle maybe that nobody else was saying, like, what did you do differently?

The breakthrough for me was a shit ton of trial and error, a shit ton of trial and error.

It was just a constant battle every day of of learning a new marketing source and really becoming an expert at that marketing source.

And I think that is a mistake.

This is a mistake that a lot of business owners make is they dabble too little in any one particular marketing source and they don't become an expert in that thing.

And then they ended up and then they realize it doesn't work all that well for them.

So they move on to the next thing.

That'd be pretty fascinating for people listening.

So tell us more about what you're offering here to people with this.

Well, everybody is different from each other.

And we don't really understand that as much because we'd like everybody to be like us.

But we're all so different.

And if you come from a large family, you know how different everybody is, and they can't help it, even with the same parenting, et cetera.

So my goal is to help people understand their uniqueness, why they are different from everybody else, and I use different methods for that, including the human design system, including the birth cards that you're born to, the source cards, which we know as playing cards.

For instance, I'm a four of clubs, and we're all different, so we all play different cards all our lives.

So what else do you want our listeners to know here? What do you want to tell them about this today?

how does a call center solve for quality? Yeah.

That's that is a really, really good question.

And this is, I think, where people should be taking notes right now.

Where does a call center fix the problem that other traditional forms of advertising can't? And I'll explain exactly why.

When you run Facebook, here's what most people think.

Most people think I want an exclusive lead, right? Maybe I'm a plumber.

Maybe I'm a roofer.

Correct.