And, you know, tell me more about the world of sustainable packaging and yourself.

Yeah, of course, Stephanie, thanks for having me the short version.

You covered it really well.

I work with food, CPG brands, predominantly on packaging.

mostly pouches, flexible films, also throw in a little retail carton here and there.

And specifically on how to make those decisions without sacrificing things like cost, convenience, and ultimately getting your products into the right package to preserve the products as needed.

That's really the most important part.

These don't have to work against each other, but they do have to be thoughtfully managed.