Is it safe to assume that time is needed to develop the fungi that are going to benefit the soil or using quick compostable ingredients and a lot of turning where you're generating all this heat, do you think you can build up fungi in a pile like that, given your knowledge of fungi and how they proliferate?

The first question is, what kind of fungi? There's anywhere from 1.5 to 6 million fungal species in the world, and many of them live in the soil.

So that's one of these things I always think about.

We just need more fungi in our soil.

What kind? And there's huge questions there because we can't isolate some fungi of the soil, as I said early on.

And there's easy ways to do that, even the simpler molds and things.

Trichoderma is one, but there's many other molds you can isolate from the soil and look at and name.

say are the types of fungi you want to encourage or add to the soil to thrive in that environment, knowing that those are the food sources?

But if you're rotating these crops through Brassica to something else a- and you're breaking up the relationships, if we're just looking at the mycos- or the rhizosphere, no, mycosphere, then are we, are we doing damage by that crop rotation, or should we have crops in the same place, which contradicts a lot of traditional ag thinking of crop rotation, where we're breaking up a lot of these relationships that are forming below the soil?

The logic, yeah, in my mind, draws to what you're, you're pointing to, a no-till practice and a, a, a reduced or, or different type of rotation practice perhaps.

Maybe you swap out rather than a completely different type of plant in a bed, it's just a different Brassica the following year.

Not being as rich of a plant grower, not having nearly as much knowledge about it as, as yourself or probably many of your viewers, I can only say so much about good plant-growing practices.

But I have to imagine that a lot of that knowledge, a lot of that insight from traditional growers developed in this, the notion of rotation and all these, these things in tilling, came in by witnessing plant, uh, root pathogens and, and root rot and all these things coming in.

And again, the, obviously, the notion is you wanna move it so that you don't establish a problematic organism in the soil.

And I, I definitely have to wonder if those things pop up just like they do in really any system in, inside of any unhealthy organism in the environment.

These relationships are fertilizing themselves.

What is now in the soil when other microorganisms can come digest that? What, what is it made out of?

The cells of mycelium are pretty similar internally to animal cells and plant cells.

So they have eukaryotic cells and basic, you know, biology concepts.

Prokaryotes are bacteria with really simple cells, and the eukaryotes are more evolved.

Plants have ...

So animal cells are just kinda like water balloons, and we have all the organelles and the nucleus and things inside that, but the, the ...

We have soft tissue, right? Plants have a cell wall that includes cellulose, hemicellulose, and potentially lignin if it's a more woody plant, and that gives the plant structure to grow upright without flopping over, unless it's a simpler plant.

For a lot of the, the fungi that pair up with plants, do you have any sense of how much of the carbon that makes them up is coming from the plants? Are, are they 100% dependent upon those plants to survive? That's where they're getting the carbon, or can they synthesize that themselves from other organic matter in the soil?

Pour some chemicals.

Well, yeah.

Again, the rule of thumb, and it's not to disparage anybody or any group, it's just I go into any educational system, any new setting of talking to people, assuming that most people don't know anything.

And that's just because not that I know more or something.

It's that literally we don't ever learn.

Most people don't learn that on our education systems and on them in the mainstream media.

So I come into it trying to help people start from the beginning.

And I think a lot of people listening to this in the farm space never would have thought of that before or had heard that