Do you think it was wrong of me or bad of me to come here and do that?

I don't think so.

And I think we wouldn't have met, first of all, if you do not accept this invitation.

Second, and I'm seeing it on the record, we were introduced to each other by the head of MCC, Balázs Orbán and his colleagues.

I wanted to reach out to you and they were very helpful in establishing connections.

I was also a guest multiple times at events and debates MCC have organized, which does not mean, and also that of Danube Institute organized.

Yeah, they cooperated in many projects.

We

So my question to you, looking at Hungary, to what extent the community, the society, also the elites on different levels of the society are undergoing a certain change? Broad assessment, you know, we don't have enough time to discuss many of these cases, but I think our audience deserves at least this angle, also your opinion on this.

Yeah, thanks a lot for bringing it in.

And I think it's also crucially important because even if we leave a representative where finally this is an elected group of leaders and elites who make the decisions.

Of course, their ability to make changes all depend, I think, on the societies themselves, how much the societies are also ready to change and how much do they perceive change.

change.

The quote that you mentioned, it's a very delicate one.

And I would say even juicy in a sense that it's why did Peter Magyar said that the party could win the election, but only the community could achieve the change of system.

Do you expect that to be a big bump or rather a puff in Hungarian political... moment this this question of transitional justice and how and what we know so far also how it is going to go forward

Yeah, yeah.

And it also means I think that there is a bit of different perception of regional affairs and also maybe a bit of different perception from that angle as well on which direction the European Union have to focus most if it wants to step further in the enlargement process.

But when we take a look at the big picture, I would definitely agree that there are much more similarities between Poland and Hungary about the major issues that the European Union is an alliance that we are proud members of, that Ukraine deserves help and Russia is the aggressor.

And also one more point, on the general Visegrad platform, I do think that Slovakia and I think Czech Republic is a more exciting and maybe more complex case.

But when it comes to Slovakia per se, I don't I definitely think that there is a different threat perception of Russia, for example, of Robert Fico, who have also visited the victory parade of Vladimir Putin.

The biggest divisive issue has been, I think, in the last more than a decade, practically, was Russia and Ukraine.

And I do think it remains as a very divisive issue within the Visegrad Corporation.

Again, the question is to you, what about the other three? If Peter Magyar said there should be four more countries as part of the gang,

The difference, says Krekó, is the pace at which Trump is operating.

I think Trump went further in two months than Orbán could in 15 years.

The United States, it reminds me of a constitutional coup where everything happens very rapidly.

He says Hungary serves as more of a conservative fantasy land that MAGA Republicans can aspire to.

So Hungary as the country where you don't have immigrants, where you don't have woke issues, when gender ideology is not dominant, and when family values is strong.

So this is clearly a construction of Hungary that has nothing to do with reality.