Um, what does being publicly shamed do to someone?

Well, I, I think that, uh, you're absolutely right.

Shame is, is pernicious and, uh, absolutely harmful.

I think that there are some elements of, um, I suppose people who have both the public profile where shame is obviously more if you're, if you're known.

But one of the things about Arday is that he wasn't actually known until people started shaming him, which is- Terrible.

Um, but if you're known, you're in the public eye, or people put you in the public eye, and I think there's something about academia where, um, people's name and CV, uh, and achievements are very closely connected.

It's them, and it's their personality and their identity.

What do the people who commit the public shaming, those who are lighting the torches and, you know, chucking the incendiary out on social media or indeed in actual real life, what do they gain from that behavior?