It's interesting in these positions in the law, be it Chief Judge of the County Court, Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, how much training you don't get

for those positions.

Very.

Was it the same for you? No.

Oh, yeah, definitely.

Look, the role of chief judge, I think it's fair to say, is a complex one and multifaceted.

And I was trained in one facet, and that's the law and the criminal law in particular and court craft.

Because of these adjustments you've had to make in the pandemic, can you see things being different permanently into the future?