The way Peter tells it, Kivimaki is a victim of his own infamy.

We all thought when we heard about Vastamo, hey, maybe this could be Julius.

But in a way, the investigation goes this way when they know that they have their own little domestic hacker.

His lawyer, Peter, was impressed.

They are dividing, they're doing calculations in their head that in what, 25 number digits.

No, it don't go like this, you count it like that.

That's not normal.

Peter was introduced to Kivimaki through an old colleague.

And he asked that he has a family friend and he's under 18 that...

That would you be interested to assist in this case? I said, why not? He seemed much older from his profile of behaving, and he's a very special person in that sense.

He reads a lot, studies a lot, even though he didn't finish his high school, to my understanding.

He absorbs a lot of information, and of course he's good with computers.

Why did he do that?

He was 13, 14 years old and eager to be involved in this hacker group.

What was it then called? Wizard or something.