What have you noticed about the way climate change denial has evolved over the decades? Who's behind it? How has the narrative changed? Has it become more sophisticated, less sophisticated? What do you think?

Yeah, it's interesting because you think it's been around for a long time, but I mean, the hypothesis has been around that carbon dioxide affects global temperature.

That's been around since the 1890s and been confirmed.

I mean...

The theory goes back to the 1950s.

It's never been controversial.

This is the interesting thing.

well okay but the problem is if these scientists are so super smart and so super right why are they changing the narrative all the time why why did they change it from global warming to climate change they're just admitting that that that warming isn't happening why the name change why did that