So I guess we could start from there, right? Because that's also where it all started, as your journey in control, I mean.

Yes.

I would in some sense start a bit earlier that when I was a mathematics student at Oxford, that my, uh, tutors there were Alan Taylor in applied mathematics, John Crossley for pure mathematics, who was a logician, and Graham Siegel, who's a topologist, a renowned topologist.

And they were all relatively young at that time, and, um, so that was a very positive start.

Uh, and of course, high school teachers who are marvelous and, um, but that, uh, uh...

I went to a small grammar school in London.

So if you're going to actually go to roots, something which I'd like to underline is that I came from a, a working class background.

I thought it was unbelievable.