Could you give us a little bit about your background and where you got to where you are today?

Yeah.

So I put it as my life has been in and around small business from as far as I would call my living memories.

It started when I was four years old.

My dad started his company, his small business.

I grew up inside of it being an only child.

I would say that I would consider that the closest thing to a sibling is how I would describe it.

And so I would assume that these are the 12 things that you must take into consideration to be successful at small business.

So what did closing those doors teach you about what successful family business transfer actually requires?

Right.

So just a quick step back for context for everyone.

So one, yes, I had started my family business, but I never expected to be in there long term.

I literally at age 14 was uninvited to work there.

My mom said, might be better you find somewhere else for a while.

Age 29, 20.

And by the same time, what you did after that, you know, especially the transition, which you call moving from trapped operator to fully owned business, For our listeners, especially who is a founder or who is a small or medium business owner, what does that transition actually look like in practice? How did it look like for you? And what does an owner have to be willing to let go of to make it happen?

So where's your opinion on, on that, uh, that balance point of education versus experience versus opportunity?

It's education for edu- what are you getting out of it? So I look at it this way.

I went and got my undergrad, and I graduated on ti- you know, technically I graduated on time for my undergrad by taking a bunch of summer courses and doing everything I could to graduate on time.

I-- my undergrad degree did not prepare me for anything 'cause I wasn't actively learning in it.

So there was zero value.

There was more value in what I knew about business from all my years of being at the kitchen table, w- being around the talk of my mother and father, living inside that small business, having that real world experience of, okay, you can say all you want about ratios and this and that.

Here's the emotional personal choice they're making at home.

What is the process for, uh, if they do manage to grab that success, um, and, and hit a launch and, you know, type in the right things in the right place and on the right platform, what's your advice for, uh, correctly offloading those hats?