So you might just for, for the sake of our listeners, tell us a little bit about what brought you to write that article and what it's about.

Yeah.

So, uh, so again, as an educator, uh, for now 30 years or more, um, at, at a fundamental level, um, I, I want students to be engaged in the classroom and in the classroom 'cause this is a deeper issue.

We're not here to talk about this today, but the question about students being actually present, right? We have a whole other problem here in this country, um, because of all kinds of issues where students can't afford to live where they live and where they're, where they're going to school, and that's one issue.

Um, but in the religious studies or theology, uh, you know, context, we're, we're in a situation where even those who want to be post-primary teachers in religion, um, they, they may not know that much about the tradition itself, uh, that they're a part of.

Um, or in many ways they're facing, uh, a context where the students that they're gonna teach may or may not grow up in a certain tradition or they're from other traditions, right? And so the question becomes how do you present and teach, uh, in such a way that brings in everybody, right? So, so there are gonna be s- more students than we think who might be atheist or agnostic who are gonna be teaching religion.

How do you bring them along? How do you bring people who are not of, let's say the Catholic faith, because traditionally many who would come in Mater Dei in that program might have grown up in a Catholic context.

Yeah.