Um, but to, uh, to start that out, like what, was there an album for each of you, uh, that when you first saw it or it was first given to you, or you first heard and you went, "Holy shit, I wanna buy records," or, "Holy shit, I wanna be in a band," was there an album that did that for you guys?

I, I mean, I think the album that really made me, not, not want to be in a band, but made me actually go out and start one, was a mixtape that some friends made.

I, I switched high schools, like, halfway through, and the punker kids at the school heard that I could play guitar, and they're like, "We wanna start a punk band.

Here's a mixtape of a bunch of punk rock." And it, that cracked me open and ruined me for the rest of my life, so that, that was what did it.

It had, like, Social Distortion, and Descendants, and Agent Orange, and, and, oh, shit, there, it was a bunch.

It was like, you know, a two-sided, 90-minute Maxell tape just full of stuff, and that did it.

the house when you were a kid?

He, none of my parents were musicians, but I remember growing up and they would have the typical '70s hits.