So bringing it back to this idea of creative cross-pollination, how does your art in one discipline influence your, your work in another?

There's that thing.

With music, I'm really trying to do something different than visual art, and, um, I think a lot of my visual art colleagues and friends would be like, "Why are you doing rock music?" Like, because I, I've been to the masters in visual art, and we just like, everybody's into like very more conceptual stuff, and they try to put like, and, and the, the kind of music my friends, my visual, visual artist friends listen is definitely not what I'm doing.

I cannot really pinpoint exactly why, but my hypothesis is I use music not the way I use visual art because if I would do the same with music, I'd do something completely conceptual, and even in music I'd be probably more multidisciplinary.

I would like do exhibitions.

I would do like audio exhibitions and stuff.

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