But what did that expansion enable you to achieve? So where did you want to take it? What were you doing with that growth, with that new brewery?

So where we were, I think I mentioned, we started off in these four units in a complex and we kind of gradually took over the other.

So we had 11 of the 12, which meant we had 11 front doors and 11 toilets, which was very inefficient.

And I'd find myself going, sticking my head in one front door.

Are you in here? Are you in here? Are you in here? It was quite, I mean, it was fun, but it was not really efficient.

And we knew in order to continue to grow and expand and even to not, even if we went, oh, look, we'll just, we'll just rest at this scale.

We just felt like that would actually snuff it out.

know how to brew.

What was your driver? The fight, has it changed over the 20 years or is it still the same battle to build an independent business?

I think to answer the last one first, it's probably same, same, but different.

But we can explore that.

But to get into the kind of the beginnings of and that move back.

I don't know, maybe I'll go back a step further.

But I found myself in Hawaii doing an MBA.

I initially did law.

Reflecting on 20 years, what do you think is the biggest decision you made that has set you up for where you are today and the success you've enjoyed so far? Is there anything, like one that comes to mind, you go, that was a brilliant call?