And especially coming from, like, a legal background, what did that process look like?

Yeah, and you're right.

We're, we figure out everything.

[chuckles] We are figuring out something each day.

So that I probably, I would say that doesn't get to stop.

But, um, the l- the legal, you know, kind of the training in, in law school eventually as I got there, um, and the overall legal field itself, um, you know, you're taught to kind of reframe any issue at hand from a simple what can I do kind of moment or question and mindset to pushing a little more in depth into, uh, past that initial question.

So your brain kind of gets rewired to think what can be di- gi- uh, what can be done given X, Y, and Z factors or what is the impact if, uh, given this? Um, so beyond that kind of initial impulse of this is what's right, this is what's wrong, it's, you know, a, a lot more past that.

Um, so was there ever a point where you realized, like, logic isn't gonna get me to where I need to, and did something else play a role in your decision-making?