back.

But it's like us.

We have the world, but it's here.

Our head is the planet, is the world.

And we are like Atlas.

I talk about Eshu, but I put Atlas and Hermes for you understand.

You have a relationship.

It's somewhere in the back.

Could you expand on how you embarked on that walk and what that walk actually meant for you?

Well, I'm from South America, you know, and, um, this land, like in Africa, it's big.

It's big and has a lot culture, original culture, and the people walk every time.

Walked, walked, walk.In Nake Borum, the Borum territory, you know.

And, uh, we have this process of colonization when fighting against colonization.

But we have this relationship with the immigration because when I born and when I grow up, I listened, I listened every time about the immigration.

Well, my conscience about the country, North Brazil, after Mexico and the USA.

How do these questions of access and exclusion permeate institutional spaces? And how do you navigate bringing your work into environments that, by their very nature, both include and exclude?