And can you tell us a little bit about how you started that? Like why you started that podcast? Why did you want to do it together? We really like

working together.

We are like sort of natural collaborators and, Um, and I wrote my book, which came out three years ago and, and writing a book, um, you know, writing is a solitary task.

If you're not in a writer's room, you're just by yourself for months and months and months.

And, uh, and with Jeff and I would just like, we have a, we, we like being together.

It's so funny because he, he, he thinks he's really insecure, but in fact, he's the most confident man I've ever met because he's so, uh, you can make All the fun of him that you want.

He's like absolutely...

or expectedly but just in a great way that has stuck with you like a great moment in friendship in your life that you want to just take a moment to shout out and honor

Oh, absolutely.

That's a, it is a topic that we talk about a lot obviously.

We had a couple of episodes just focused on dating and just, like, on dating apps and why it's so worthwhile to pursue it.

And again, if a woman is out there and she wants to be in a relationship, she is still interested in a relationship, and she's not just feeling like, "You know what? I'm comfortable.

Fuck it.

I'm, I'm good.

Like, leave me alone," then I, I feel like very often women are, again, held back by ...

Mm, mm.