How, what were things like then?

Yeah, there was so much going on at the time.

So I guess to go really far back, the two of us had been riding motorcycles for about two years at that point.

It was something that I'd been wanting to do for a long time.

And then one day he was like, hey, they're offering a free class for me at work.

So I'm going to go get my license.

And I was like, oh, I guess I will too.

I mean, there's a tiny bit of comfort to be found there, I think.

And although you tend to work with families more who are a little bit further down the line than the diagnosis days, I can imagine a lot of the things that we felt during that moment, you know, you still see them presented in, in parents, you know, as their child is getting older.

Yeah.

Hi, Charlotte.

It's ...

I think we see such a mixed group at different stages, and, um, it's never an easy conversation to have.

Um, we tend to sort of, or I certainly tend to, see parents when they've, they're already kind of aware what the diagnosis is, um, but sort of come to us for a second opinion or if anything can be done.

Not always, but that's another kind of level really.

So I wanna come over to you, Paula, because you are an ECLO, and you are also visually impaired, and you may be perhaps the second visually impaired person that they see after a child.