Yeah, and so would you count pattern interrupt as one of the tools or was that the pattern interrupt was you didn't do what she expected you to do?

All of the above.

All of the above.

The pattern interrupt was number one, I didn't do what she expected.

But number two, what I said.

She wasn't expecting that.

I'll give you just another example and then I'll get to sales, okay? A therapeutic example.

How does Paul combine NLP with mindfulness or trauma release?

Is it a good idea in your view?

Yeah, so I suppose we were part of a pilot with Waterford City and Dublin City Centre in, I think it was 2021, where we moved from, as you mentioned, the Joint Police and Commission project to this Longford Community Safety Partnership.

I suppose the big, big difference, having sat on the previous JPC, as we called it, was the Joint Policing Commission was very reactive to crime that happened in the past, where we would come along every couple of months and get a breakdown on crime figures and data and gather figures And so it was really, as I say, a reactive journey to be a bit of shouting and a bit of giving out if something happened.

And if nothing happened, then we'd be all happy enough.

I suppose the new community safety partnership is very much a proactive approach.

It's a larger commission, I think just about 30 members.

As you mentioned yourself, there's community groups, there's resident associations, there's statutory agencies, as you mentioned too, so HSE and county councillors, and then of course, council staff, along with the Gardaí.

I thought that was interesting.

To start off, why Roth accounts? Why do you love them so much?

For quite a handful of reasons, Jana.

Aside from the dollars not being taxable, Roths have other features that regular IRAs and regular 401ks don't have.

One can always withdraw their contributions, you know, say in an emergency, and that can be done with no tax or penalty.

Roths don't have any RMD requirements, so those investments can compound longer if we don't need them.

And I don't think we'll be in a lower tax bracket later in life, and so there's really no reason to not go all in on Roths.

I do believe that the old paradigm of retiring in a lower tax bracket really isn't applicable.

And when did the light bulb go off for you and your wife, Emily, about Roths?