now.

I grew that project to working with I think was 500 schools, by time in the 20 election 2020 election was finished.

And I left the project to go go back to writing my intention and then.

Sometimes this happens.

I made a bad choice along with the other board members in picking a successor who just was kind of a, well, let's just say he was a terrible executive director who was bent on just kind of amortizing his own power, getting paid more and whatever.

he destroyed the organization.

I mean, it was an organization that I left with about a million dollars in the bank because we got some COVID money late breaking and a 17 person staff and great relationships with schools.

And that is the core part of being fully human, standing up for your neighbor's whose lives were cavalierly being shattered by political leaders drunk on their own power.

Talk to us about the impossible and what you wanted to achieve out in the world.

I'm really glad to be here, and thank you so much for the wonderful introduction.

It makes me almost embarrassed, but there has been a lot of praise.

What I've tried to do with The Impossible will take a little while, and it has an interesting history.

Originally, I put the book together in 2004, following on a book of mine called Soul of a Citizen that's done really well.

And it was a time that seemed bleak.

Well, it was bad in many ways.

every little thing matters paul what what is your main message what's your main motivator and what's your main message given the times that we live in right now

How have you seen joy be really important in the movements that you've covered? It's

a good question.

He does, because I've also seen him several times, although not in Cape Town.

And he does exemplify joy.

It's like he's just...

He loves to dance.

And people would say, yeah, everybody knows the Arch is always dancing.

What lessons did you learn about how to connect in putting together this work, and especially how to connect under really tough circumstances? It's