So are you seeing that, and what are you actually seeing separating those two?

Most definitely.

It is becoming even clearer, Ben, that those that are really struggling to manage, you know, change, I think, and this is what we're, we're about at the moment, is that in any of our businesses about change management and how you actually manage that.

And what the change is happening in farming is, is these rising input costs.

No reflection of that in what we're getting as outputs, and obviously broad acre, you know, is driven by the outside world.

But horticulture is driven by a couple of big conglomerates that determine how a family's business might look in terms of pricing.

And so I think there's those outside things that we can get tied up in.

Are these people looking at what we're going through at the moment? Are they looking at things as change, or are they just seeing it as business as usual, and this is just something we've got to deal with?