And I think this is where, would you agree, the film speaks into, okay, you may have a suspense at the moment of ultimate meaning and purpose, but here's a way forward.

Yeah, it's not always possible to hold that idea of an ultimate meaning, because especially in the moments of suffering, especially great suffering, it's just no consolation to tell yourself that everything is part of the plan, because it just doesn't feel like that at the moment.

Whereas what still remains in that moment, even if we can't see any ultimate meaning, the little acts of kindness, the little acts of love, the little moments that we share with each other, you can't take them away.

And ultimately, that choice is to not give up.

The daughter, Joy, in the movie, She could see no way forward.

Nothing meant anything.

What's the point of existing in a universe where she has no agency? And ironically, Because she has ultimate power, that's the reason that she doesn't have any real choice.

What advice would you give a Catholic wanting to watch this film? Because it doesn't sort of go as far as to say, well, like you're saying, the meaning of life is god is love but how is it in some way like a pre-evangelization like a step forward