So I would like to hear from you, uh, your perspective.

Yeah, well, actually the founder and CEO of Virgin Global, um, is a very interesting man.

His name's Hemal Randhawala.

And I actually met him, um, around the time I was at the London Metal Exchange.

So it must have been eight to 10 years ago.

And he actually originally founded Arjun Global as Arjun Capital.

So I was a proprietary trading group and he was a very successful proprietary trader.

How do you think of commodities nowadays? How do you think about the contracts? more feature contracts of commodities, the hedging strategies, and your entire perspective of how the world evolves and how quantitative hedge funds are actually hunting and taking a major piss in the trading world of commodities especially.

Um, and your vision question is, what would a good ancestor do?

Yeah.

The story behind that one came locally, and is a great connection back to te ao Māori, the wisdom of Māori people.

Um, there was this big process, it was kind of in and around COVID, in our region to try and get some clarity on where are we going as a whole region.

And we're pretty disjointed, uh, 'cause there's a big hill in the middle, and so people don't sort of talk across the hill very much.

And there was this gathering of different leaders from government, from, uh, education, uh, young people, old, older people.

Like it was, it was really diverse mix.

So Paul, how do you see this idea playing out in day-to-day work of leaders?

Gotcha.

So I, I think I just accepted what was, uh, at the time.

But when I look back, I look at people that don't get injured and, and, and what they, you know, get to, um...

How they get to play week in, week out.

It would've been nice.

But, um, look, I'm not whingeing.

I was, I was fortunate enough to, to make many good friends and, um, you know, play at every level from a junior to a senior.

Yep

Okay.

Mum and Dad hard workers, and played Aussie rules and rugby league on the same day sometimes or on a Saturday, Sunday.

Um, chose obviously rugby league, but enjoyed Aussie rules.

Um, we had a field pretty close by, which is a short, short walk.

So I'd train there more than I trained for rugby league.

Enjoyed it, um, but obviously there was more opportunity in rugby league-

Mm

... than there was for, for Aussie rules.