Are we there

already? The answer is yes, we are.

And the formation last year of the Joint Analysis and Training Education Center which is the very first, so it's joint NATO and Ukraine together working under one roof in Poland.

And it's designed purely to capture lessons.

It's designed to capture those lessons, do the analysis, work out precisely what went well, what didn't go well, and then feed that back into NATO.

And that means not just NATO headquarters and the Supreme Allied Commander Europe, the headquarters down in Monstil in Brussels, but actually out to Allies as well.

And as well as that, you've also got allies who are working with the Ukrainians very closely, who are learning the lessons directly from the battlefield as well, on their own sort of bilateral relationships.

I found this question particularly interesting because I'm in an age where I'm asking myself, so what is the legacy you leave when you go? What are you leaving for your children? I thought from that point of view, and so it hit me from the wrong side, I would say.