John, you have to tell your story of how you met Greg at your audition.

Oh, yeah.

When I met Greg, this is in New York before I did the test that we were talking about before.

But when I was auditioning in New York, there were like seven actors auditioning, and six of them went in, you know, separately.

And then for some reason, it stopped at me, and the casting director was like, "We're gonna take a five-minute break for lunch.

Is that okay?" And I said, "Yeah," but in my head I was kind of thinking, "No, just do one more [laughs] for 10 minutes." And then in through the front door came a guy with a salad, who sat down across from me on a couch, and he was like, "Are you nervous?" And I said, "Not so much for the audition, but I'm really nervous for the people who are making this show because so often these translations are just such garbage.

And I, and I really hope that, uh, they don't screw it up because so many people are waiting to kill this show." And Greg Daniels said, "I'll try my best." And I said, "Who are you?" And he goes-

[laughs]

How did it come about that you were on the show?

Well, I had worked with, uh, Greg Daniels, um, before and known him a very long time, and we did King of the Hill together.

And when they started the show, I, you know, I stopped by the pilot.

You know, I had nothing to do with the pilot, but I stopped by a few days, and it was, um, I just kind of loved what was happening, and it was...

You know, I, I love the British.

And so then when it got picked up, um, I was, I was psyched that he asked me to come on.

So this was, like, kind of a, a very traditional thing that writers and actors are kind of separated on a TV show, you know, and they're kind of asked not to talk.

How did that work?

Oh.

And then I asked a bunch of other people who seemed to like it and who were around at the time, uh, including a couple of writer's assistants, and Danny, and B.J., and Halsted, and they seemed to think it was mine.

Is you have to break the fourth wall and say the writers wouldn't do that.

Well, okay, if you weren't breaking the fourth wall, then you would just, you say it's too unlikely.

This is like an Occam's razor kind of thing.

Like, no, the most likely thing is generally the truth, where the guy convicted is guilty of the thing.