Spiritually anemic.

Yeah, if you wanna stay spiritually anemic.

Because when you come back to the word of God, it's challenging to say, so are you saying we have to go to church? You don't have to do anything, but God says if you want breakthrough and if you want a productive future, get yourself into church.

So years ago I got this revelation about the difference between some Christians and other Christians.

I said to somebody, why is it that you meet some Christians and 20 years on they've still got the same bad attitudes? They still are non-responsive in church.

Just thought I'd throw that in there.

Don't walk out, just stay for the rest of the message.

Don't

Has it been easy or has it been a daily challenge to actually make a decision to not just love God but love yourself?

I think it definitely is a journey, even though you come from a good background and taught the Word of God, was in church initially because we had to.

If we didn't go to church, we didn't have any food to eat or whatever.

It's like our parents said, you'll be in church as long as you live under our roof.

And yet I struggled personally with my own person.

I struggled with who I saw myself as.

And I heard that God loved me.

Pastor Paul, that's been a bit of your journey and obviously you've written a book on insecurity and a whole bunch of that, but what's your take on this idea of having to embrace vulnerability? I think