As fans, are we mad? Are we mad that we're feeling this unhappy or are we right?

Before we get into that, I think it is worth saying, with all the shit that's changed in footy and all the disillusionment that especially our generation and older are going through right now, it's mad that through all these changes, we can still rely on Everton.

I'd be fucking shitter than us so thanks Everton as always but look do you know what I haven't been on a show for a while and I could talk about everything each of you have said I could talk about for an hour And I think it's insane.

And I saw a tweet before, and I'm doing that thing of judging an article without reading the headline, but it sort of made sense what he was talking about.

It was Rory Smith.

And he mentioned something that I said on a show we did in the pub a few months ago about Richard Hughes.

But Rory was making the point about...

Kopi, what are your thoughts?

And do we as fans need to cop for that now?

I think that, I think the sad, simple answer is yes.

And it was my...

Coming up to the end of the season, it was my biggest fear about all of this, and I was saying it to a few people, and I w- I wasn't on any shows around that time to say it publicly, but I said to a few people, like, "Be careful what you're wishing for here" because what we are and what we've always been is a certain thing, and one of those things is different, special.

And if you're sacking a title-winning manager a season effectively after he won the league 'cause he had a bad season, you can't claim that anymore.

If you're...

And, and look, uh, by the time it happened, I'm sure we'll get into all this or we maybe we won't.

I think, to having that fight.