The

first volume comes out in about 1983.

Yeah.

So I thought, well, Malcolm Fraser might be interesting because the two pictures here, there's a picture of the very dominant prime minister and everything you hear talks about he spent his life consulting.

So I thought, well, we've got Caro volume one.

That showed the sort of inspiration of what you can do.

So let's see if I can go and talk to Fraser and see if I can work out how he ran his government, how he ran his life.

Have you had a chance to read it yet?