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Patrick Matthewson
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May 18, 2026
Decarbonise or Deindustrialise? Is This Really the Choice Facing Britain?
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17:13Amy RennisonHOST
Could you just give us a few examples, and then, uh, tell me how meaningful have these been in practice?
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17:19Patrick MatthewsonGUEST
So for very energy intensive users, there's what was for British Supercharger.
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17:25Patrick MatthewsonGUEST
It's now a EIUG scheme, and that essentially exempts them from most policy costs that we're talking about, um, which is quite effective for those businesses, but it is a, a small proportion of manufacturing and a small proportion of industry in the country.
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17:39Patrick MatthewsonGUEST
Uh, government has now proposed for British Industrial Competitiveness Scheme, uh, which is looking to cover around 11,000 businesses by, again, cutting those policy costs, and that should have an offlay of about 25% of their energy bills.
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17:55Patrick MatthewsonGUEST
So when we've kind of mapped that to the bigger sector, we're looking at covering about 130,000 businesses.
14 MINS LATER
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32:16Amy RennisonHOST
And I suppose the other thing is does the current situation give you an, a, a window and opportunity to get some of this done? I mean, is this now a good time? Do you feel like your members or the conversations you're having are being driven by external events to some degree? Maybe I'm gonna ask y- you can go, go, go along or maybe Pa- Patrick for you first.