As ever, I'm just always curious, was theatre part of your childhood or performing or comedy? Where did it enter?

I remember being cast in a school play, aged about nine or 10, and I'd never thought about acting or anything like that, but we had a very good English teacher, and I got cast in this play, and I just had the time of my life.

I just loved everything about it.

I loved missing lessons.

I loved wearing a costume.

I loved pretending to be someone else.

I was playing an Irish reverend the Reverend John McNulty in a play called The Man Who Wouldn't Go to Heaven.

We fucking won.

It's hilarious, and then in the same breath he goes after his political enemies and he rounds up people and he deports them, and that's not hilarious.

Well, it's hilarious to us liberals, but I think the important thing to remember in all conversation about Trump is he took half the people with him, uh, and they still support him even though ratings are low, that something has happened in America and i- in the culture that is, is so profoundly different to anything that has gone before.

He's a president like no other president has ever been.

I mean, I remember in the olden days when we used to think Bush was an idiot, um, and would laugh at Bush and he... because he couldn't pronounce words very well or he...

there were malapropisms and we thought he was an idiot.

But now, uh, W. seems like a, a grand statesman from a forgotten era.

Do you think there's no map?

Make- Making (laughs), making a lot of noise.