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Who Is The Democrat Party?
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77:36Sean ThompsonHOST
You change the trajectory of the nation because you educate the children, correct?

Patrick GraffGUEST
And I am honestly very encouraged that there is something we can do about it now.

Patrick GraffGUEST
I think this new federal tax credit is going to supercharge giving for school choice across the country.

Patrick GraffGUEST
So as your listeners might know, each state's governor has to opt in to this new federal tax credit for education.

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Thirty one states have done that, including the Democrat governors in Colorado and New York.
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82:24Sean ThompsonHOST
Do you think this is a law and a bill and a tax advantage that could potentially change back to the way it was to not give these kids a lifeline that it's giving them?
Freedom to Learn: Patrick Graff on the Education Freedom Tax Credit’s 52 Million Eligible Students, 121 Million Potential Donors, & 31 Participating States
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Ginny GentlesHOST
But first, let's remind listeners how the Education Freedom Tax Credit will work.

Patrick GraffGUEST
Yeah, so the Education Freedom Tax Credit was part of the one big beautiful bill.

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Uh, so this is a little-known new piece of the federal tax code, just a couple pages long, uh, honestly, that will completely revolutionize the way in which the federal government relates to education funding across the country.

Patrick GraffGUEST
And not because it's changing any existing education funding that happens through the Department of Education, uh, but this is a new part of the tax code that is going to increase charitable giving to scholarship organizations.

Patrick GraffGUEST
These are nonprofit, uh, we often call them scholarship-granting organizations across the country who give scholarships to kids.

Patrick GraffGUEST
So these could be school choice scholarships for a student to go to the school that will best fit their needs, uh, or it could be a scholarship for something like tutoring, uh, special education services, or transportation for education.

Patrick GraffGUEST
And so what this new credit does is, uh, as opposed to your kinda standard federal deduction for a charitable donation that you can get to any donation to a nonprofit right now, where you get to, uh, write off that part of your income from your taxes, this is a one-to-one credit.
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Patrick Graff on the Education Freedom Tax Credit’s 52 Million Eligible Students, 121 Million Potential Donors, & 31 Participating States
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Ginny GentlesHOST
But first, let's remind listeners how the Education Freedom Tax Credit will work.

Patrick GraffGUEST
Yes, so the Education Freedom Tax Credit was part of the One Big Beautiful Bill.

Patrick GraffGUEST
So this is a little known new piece of the federal tax code, just a couple pages long.

Patrick GraffGUEST
Honestly, that will completely revolutionize the way in which the federal government relates to education funding across the country.

Patrick GraffGUEST
and not because it's changing any existing education funding that happens through the Department of Education, but this is a new part of the tax code that is going to increase charitable giving to scholarship organizations.

Patrick GraffGUEST
These are nonprofit, we often call them scholarship granting organizations across the country who give scholarships to kids.

Patrick GraffGUEST
So these could be school choice scholarships for a student to go to the school that will best fit their needs, or it could be a scholarship for something like tutoring special education services or transportation for education.
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The Learning Curve: American Federation for Children’s Patrick Graff on School Choice
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What do you see as the challenges? Is it policy? Is it practice? What's happening that is causing those programs not to work as effectively?

Patrick GraffGUEST
Yeah, Alicia, that's a really insightful question because one of the amazing things about being in the role that I am in now where I get to advise our team on school choice policy design, I love questions like this because when you look across the history of some of these older programs, Florida included, even in my state of Indiana, we had a very similar setup to the Georgia Promise Scholarship in the early years of the Choice Scholarship Program here where It was very limited, very income targeted, but I think most importantly, and I think mostly to the detriment of the program, it restricted most of the transfers from so-called failing schools, right, from the public school districts.

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And I actually think that that label and that stigma is very detrimental to program success.

Patrick GraffGUEST
So for the Promise Scholarship there in Georgia that you're speaking to, that is one of our main priorities for the state of Georgia is to get out of that, you know, what has been called a failing school model bill for private school choice.

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And you would know this from the perspective of a legislator, it's very attractive at a rhetorical level to say, hey, we're going to save these kids from failing schools.

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But I think on the flip side, it really doesn't speak to the realities that these families are often seeking out or where they're coming from.
American Federation for Children's Patrick Graff on School Choice
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Alicia SearcyHOST
What do you see as the challenges? Is it policy? Is it practice? What's happening that is causing those programs not to work as effectively?

Patrick GraffGUEST
Yeah, Alicia, that's a really insightful question because one of the amazing things about being in the role that I am in now where I get to advise our team on school choice policy design, I love questions like this because when you look across the history of some of these older programs, Florida included, even in my state of Indiana, we had a very similar setup to the Georgia Promise Scholarship in the early years of the Choice Scholarship Program here where It was very limited, very income targeted, but I think most importantly, and I think mostly to the detriment of the program, it restricted most of the transfers from so-called failing schools, right, from the public school districts.

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And I actually think that that label and that stigma is very detrimental to program success.

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So for the Promise Scholarship there in Georgia that you're speaking to, that is one of our main priorities for the state of Georgia is to get out of that, you know, what has been called a failing school model bill for private school choice.

Patrick GraffGUEST
And you would know this from the perspective of a legislator, it's very attractive at a rhetorical level to say, hey, we're going to save these kids from failing schools.

Patrick GraffGUEST
But I think on the flip side, it really doesn't speak to the realities that these families are often seeking out or where they're coming from.
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Patrick GraffGUEST
You know, some of the families there might start having some of the same conversations that management of the Chicago Bears are having, which is, you know, why don't we just move right across the state line here and take advantage of the opportunities in Indiana that are open to all families.

Mike KoolidgeHOST
But as far as someone receiving amount of scholarships, is that limited or how does that work?
