And you found that they use roughly 23% of the power generation in Ireland.

Yeah.

And I think that that research was done by Hannah Daly, actually, down in UCC on the renewable energy.

And the Climate Change Advisory Council has also used the term cannibalized, that the data center industry has cannibalized our renewable energy generation.

And I think it's useful to compare it to Spain.

So Spain, since 2019, has doubled its renewable energy generation.

So that's more than what Ireland has added, but it's probably close enough.

Now, that strikes me as I'm not sure it's an entirely valid comparison, given that you know amazon aren't going to build 50 000 homes that's not what they do um if they're not going to build them here they're just going to build them somewhere else and we still wouldn't we wouldn't have that level of investment is probably the argument the government would make

Like it's harder to think about it in those terms once you push the metaphor a bit further beyond that word.

Yeah, absolutely.

I was actually thinking that there's kind of a slippage in the way in which the government, particularly the government, and say that, take the report also as an example, tries to frame data centres, which on the one hand, they talk about them almost as if they are essential infrastructure like roads or water infrastructure.

you know, that so much is dependent on them in the sense that they're like public infrastructures, when clearly they're not.

They're not public infrastructures.

And we don't know exactly what's happening in them and what they're doing, but they're clearly not for public good.

But then on the other hand, as you say, they talk about them in this economic kind of framing as heavy industry.

can maybe point out is that if even these technical interventions, which are very kind of basic, right, which are very much about just sort of being a part of a society, if even these are very hard or they're very reticent to even take on these basic compliance measures, then what does that say about the embeddedness of these companies into future utility systems and things like this, right?

I feel a bit like that some mornings.

Yeah, I think a lot of people probably do.

I think there is a, you know, it's been going on for many years now, this sort of dissonance between the climate science and the forecasts of how things are going to be, which is increasingly met with our actual own lived experience of climate change.

Like this summer, I think, has been a very clear example of that with the heat waves and the wildfires.

But obviously, we've had storms and intense rainfall going back through the years here, and it's far worse in other parts of the world and other parts of Europe.

I do think, though, that...

So I wrote this piece in the Irish Times about a week ago or two weeks ago, trying to make a connection between the climate crisis and the lack of response to the climate crisis and the response to...

Because