At what point did it get shortened to PFR?

Our first album was nominated for a Grammy, and, um, so when the information of that got out there, a band sent our management a- ... letter saying, "Congratulations on your Grammy nomination, [laughs] but we already called that.

We've been using that for longer than seven years." So anyway, we had to, we had to change our name even though we had copywritten the name or whatever it's called, you know?

Yeah

... 'cause there just isn't really a place to stop.

Um, and, um, so I think there was a cumulative, uh, 'cause it was really like four years that we were, four or five years that we were, um, making records and touring, which might seem like a short window, but when you're never able to stop the wheel, um, there is a fatigue that, um, starts to creep in, and you can't name it at first.

I just know a lot.

I want to add just it felt like it felt like a retreat center in my house because I remember specific conversations in different places.

different seating areas around inside and outside of my house so i like um i remember you know it's it's it was kind of a cool uh way to do it because we'd have morning session and then we'd have afternoons and then an evening session wow So even though it was a short time, it was like just crammed into these powerful conversations that we were having with each other and beautiful connection.

And something that stuck with me, he was talking about um the trajectory of your life and it really brought um the title of the album um i i was bringing it as a song idea um and these guys oh no that's the what i brought it to you guys your guys oh no that's the that's the That's the title of the album.

Yeah.

And I'm curious what you feel led you to writing these kinds of songs.

I think it's It's been 25 years since anyone's heard of us, you know, heard anything we've written, really.

And I think it's those 25 years of hard stuff that's coming into it, real life.