Can you talk a little bit about how you came to this work?

I came to this work through sort of various unpredictable route.

In my twenties, I was in the construction industry and, and very, very bored.

But it was in the early nineties, I volunteered for an environmental organization that investigated things like the illegal ivory trade, for example, because my passion, the growing passion on environmental issues.

And then there I met two other people, Charmian Gooch and Simon Taylor.

We were all volunteers initially at, at the Environmental Investigation Agency as it was called.

We got on, we spent time in the pubs of London swapping stories, and we were all by complete coincidence, very interested in what was happening in Cambodia at that time.

Can you talk now a little bit about the work that you did, um, that Global Witness did, tracking the corrupt foreign money in London real estate? That's been in the news a lot this month, and the genesis of some of that work, it started with Global Witness.