Tell me about the framework, where it came from and where it's at right now.

Yeah, so a number of years ago, myself and a number of colleagues kind of building off the Gaelic Games sports science framework initially, which highlighted that actually, you know, in underage Gaelic Games, there was real opportunity to integrate psychology principles into coaching.

And we did a systematic review.

So we gathered all of the evidence out there in relation to Gaelic games and psychology.

And what we noticed that in that literature was there was actually quite a considerable amount of evidence there in relation to Gaelic.

you know, youth gala games, underage gala games.

And kind of looking through that, there were some really nice evidence or examples of, you know, strategies that might work really well and that were really positive in terms of outcomes like reduced likelihood of dropout or reduced likelihood of burnout or increased motivation.

So, you know, is it how do we make it so it isn't just about winning or getting selected or performance outcomes? How do we make it that the players are motivated beyond those things?

So it's always kind of an uphill battle or not an uphill battle, but, you know, being breaking the glass ceilings, as they say, for it's a big thing, isn't it?

Yeah, and I think probably because of when I started playing, camogie wasn't really hugely on the radar in Watford.

And I think that's probably one thing that often mightn't get discussed or attention get drawn to it that much in the mainstream media when there's often a focus on the counties who've been there for a long time.

And they've had decades of success and success.

and all of that where I suppose in Waterford one of the things certainly when I was starting out I remember you know asking about how could I get started and my dad was asking people around Waterford and he was at a WIT we're actually playing an Ashburn Cup game at the old Waterford Crystal venue and he just went along and he said like is there anyone from Waterford and someone said to him they don't play camogie in Waterford now that wasn't the case you know there were some really great people who were involved in the game.

But in comparison to the amount of clubs that we have now, in the county it was really really small and you're probably looking at 10 to 12 clubs there was four underage grades 12 14 16 18 an a and a b with five teams and that was it so you know it wasn't as popular as it is now and i suppose from that respect that was probably a huge part of our teams you know when we were playing with the county was how can we get waterford to play at a higher level and we were starting off in b competitions we were starting in You know, small things like winning our first primary game match or winning our first under-14 game in a blitz.

You know, it was things like that.

The individual belonging, being part of something bigger than themselves.