Um, have there been any stories or cases that you've been called on, and I love asking this, uh, to cops, is that, um, have you had any wild cases happen that you're just like, "What is happening?" Like, "Why is this happening to me? What is going on today?" Like, have you had any of those calls before?

before?Oh, yeah.

Tons of them.

Um, one, one in particular I, I remember, and, um, is I used to smoke, uh, Highbold Black cigars.

They... 'Cause they were the cheapest cigar you could buy, and I worked midnights a, a good part of my career.

And, uh, so it was a cheap cigar that if, if, uh, I had a call, I didn't feel bad about having to, you know, smash out the cigar and throw it out, uh, as opposed to smoking a really nice cigar.

Uh, and I'd just come out of, uh, the place where I would get my cigars, and dispatcher gets on the radio and goes, "Hey, is anybody near the intersection of Hillcrest..." I, I can't remember the cross street.

How can we minimize the us versus them aspect in law enforcement today? What's some things that we could do as a society to have more of a kind of same ter- li- linear agreement with one another?

But

it's a lifeline.

I can think of one.

early in my career when I was an officer before I promoted up the ranks.

And a sergeant got on the radio.

This was like two o'clock in the morning.

And a sergeant got on the radio crew number and told me to respond to this particular address that he was at.

But from my own lived experiences, I can say, especially, you know, in the present times that not only from work or your career, but in your personal life as well, you can learn about understanding, reading people, Understanding conflicts, how to be compassionate and at the same time, pragmatic, realistic, maybe a bit of foresighted, you know, when you are, you know, especially involved.

So how can people apply these mindsets in their personal lives?

Well, a number of ways.

Uh, again, uh, a great question because, uh, you cannot do this by yourself.

You know, the, the, uh...

And correct me if I'm wrong, uh, the, uh, the African proverb that says, "If you wanna run far, run by yourself.

If you want to, uh, run..." I'm sorry, let me get that right.

"If you wanna run fast, run by yourself.

How would you explain these concepts, and why are they important for effective leadership?