them

anyway.

No, but you know, that kind of way, I suppose, from a very early age, I worked on the road a lot, Seth and John and... prior to Dumb Believables so you kind of toured all the small towns in Ireland and we were doing intimate little gigs 14 people 20 people massive would be maybe 30 people at a gig or something that for a first year but you got to know people at the gig because you were practically talking to them one to one And I got a lot of friends around the country as a result like that.

So it's interesting listening to you talking about school, early days, primary schools.

I don't have any friends from school whatsoever because when it came to after the Leaving Cert, I left Turles.

And it was the 80s too.

About two years later, I was touring abroad with John in Holland and places like that.

Do you think it's easier or more difficult for younger people now to make friends, to maintain those friendships? It's a tough one.