And we get into 40 Watt Club and they had monitors, and so Pat kind of walked us through how to use them.

The Maniacs, they, they were an entity unto themselves.

They weren't trying to compete with other bands as far as sound or ideology or anything like that.

That, that was just, that was what they were and that's what they did.

That definitely had an effect on me.

I, I, I remember the second time they came to play, I think a month or two after that first show, and when I heard they were coming back, I was looking forward to that like a kid looking forward to Christmas.

That, it meant that much to me.

We really are good."