Can you give me an example of that?

Yes.

So it's not only the device, of course, that has impact.

that has an impact, it's also the way you handle the device and it's also what happens to the device in a social context or in a value chain context, an ecosystem context.

So there's not just manufacturers producing devices and then consumers buying them and using them.

it's also hospitals that buy these products and apply them in the hospital sometimes they apply the devices in the hospital but then the patient takes it home for example so you need to have a system in place that incentivizes patients and people and personnel to return the used devices and to handle them in a certain way so as to avoid contamination, so as to maximize recycling, for example, maximize preparation for use, And all this is a huge challenge.

And there's not just one point in the whole value chain.

So really, there is an incentive to do this, isn't there?