So that was basically how I got to him.

Right.

Oh, when I was down in, um, at Sai Baba's when I first got to India because, like, it was the time of year you didn't know where Maharaji was, right? And I heard about Ram Dass being up in Kosani, and I wrote a letter saying, "Can I come?" And he wrote back going, "No.

No women." [laughs] Yeah.

Yeah.

That's a good dream.

That's a good dream.

I know, I don't have dreams with him.

So y- talk about how, yeah, the interface with all of these people related to, uh, the material that was picked for this subject.

Well, of course, everybody, everybody is concerned about what's happening in our world today, especially the division between people, and each one of these teachers has worked e-extensively in this realm.

So they all related very strongly to the concept and the idea of what this was about.

Do you got a little something?

Okay, I just pulled it up.

Um, I thought it's interesting where he's talking about the pendulum swings because that's something he really goes into in terms of what happened in the sixties and, uh, you know, which is the way I never thought about it, is that-