Parmy Olson
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Sep 14, 2026
AI’s Biggest Players Debate a Frontier Slowdown
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Parmy OlsonGUEST
I love that you pointed to that word pacing, 'cause I think it's very interesting that he used that and slowed down, 'cause pacing is different to slow down.
Parmy OlsonGUEST
It means kind of working with a rhythm or a strategy or a kind of plan to get to or to manage a certain path to get to a particular goal.
Parmy OlsonGUEST
And I thought it was very interesting that the CFO of Anthropic posted an, um, Dario Amodei's essay on LinkedIn, and he didn't use the word slow down at all.
Here's Why Social Media Bans Are Driving Change
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3:54Stephen CarrollHOST
Why are so many other policymakers pushing ahead with measures like this, even if the evidence we have so far isn't terribly strong about their effectiveness?
Parmy OlsonGUEST
I think it's because this is what parents want, and it really shouldn't surprise...
Parmy OlsonGUEST
And I think this is sort of a long time coming if, if we think back to the Cambridge Analytica scandal with Facebook.
Parmy OlsonGUEST
This was probably the real turning point for the general public's perception of technology companies.
Parmy OlsonGUEST
And ever since then, as these companies have grown bigger and the users on their platforms have gone into the billions of people, and there's been more reporting in the press and whistleblowers showing the harmful side effects of being on social media, the toxic content, the going down rabbit holes, the misinformation and conspiracy theories and, you know, teenage girls who feel worse about themselves when they're on Instagram.
Parmy OlsonGUEST
That was a very famous study that came out of Facebook's own research, and we know about that because of the whistleblower, Frances Haugen, um, who, um, released a whole trove of documents.
Parmy OlsonGUEST
So all this over the last, you know, five to 10 years has been slowly building this gradual kind of understanding that actually while these platforms are fun to use, and they are addictive, and people, you know, scratch this kind of mental itch when they get to go on their Instagram or, or Snap or whatever it is, there is this toxic side effect.
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9:07Stephen CarrollHOST
So besides the age-related bans, what other methods are regulators looking at to try to reduce the harm from social media?
Parmy Olson, AI expert: Who controls the future?
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Parmy OlsonGUEST
I think it's going to be very important, but I think it's going to be hard at first to see the impact.
Parmy OlsonGUEST
When people in the 50s and 60s, 1950s and 1960s tried to imagine what the future would look like.
Parmy OlsonGUEST
But we have something that was just as monumental, if not more so, which was the web.
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Misha GlennyHOST
How is Europe doing? Is Europe lagging behind everything or are there some encouraging developments there?
The Year Ahead: Tariffs, AI and Fed Independence
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Do you see that level of capex, as Tom talked about, continuing next year? And as we see this roll-out of AI, what are the potential bear traps there waiting down the road for the administration or the economy?
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15:00Parmy OlsonGUEST
In a lot of ways, the AI boom has given the Trump administration a lot of cover because it's just made it look like everything is going so well.
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And in aggregate, the Magnificent Seven tech stocks have seen their market valuations increase by trillions of dollars just in the last three years since ChatGBT came out.
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15:25Parmy OlsonGUEST
And for all the reasons that people are saying, which is that there is very high risk of near term monetization not happening.
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15:35Parmy OlsonGUEST
In other words, there's been this huge build out of infrastructure anticipating all this demand that probably will come in eventually, but it's just not gonna come in fast enough to meet the expectations of investors.
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What should we be watching on that? What are the key debates we should be looking out for next year if we're kind of concerned about the form that AI is gonna take?
