And so if you just want to kind of briefly go into what do you think is underlying some of this deep dysfunction that we're experiencing?

Yes.

Well, so first of all, just remind your listeners, too, that Alan and I, we published an article in the education policy journal Education Next.

I guess it was six years ago now in 2000.

Was it 21? No, I believe 21.

Wow.

Before the election of Trump.

you know,