The testing they did was, you can't really have a building code without testing.

All of the code work that's been done by Martin Hammer and others, the structural testing that was done and the fire rating testing, all of that together, it hasn't just helped the straw industry, it's helped other, you know, alternative building methods as well.

And what I'm hoping is that we can have the wherewithal, have the resources in personal terms and commitment terms to actually sort of get out of our middle class silo and start making straw bale available to the people who really need it.

I hope they continue this kind of openness and support of each other that the founding folks have done.

And I'm sure it will because it's just so integral to who CASBA is or what it is.